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and we're here in Phoenix Arizona and

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we're going to be interviewing this

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afternoon or this evening I should say

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when my old time buddies where New York

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pals were from the same hood Antonia who

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næss who just recently made the

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transition from Manhattan to Arizona and

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I'm sure it was a physical feat to what

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to get here and a difference in

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temperature is he'll find out this

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summer when the thermometer hits well

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over a hundred San Antonio I haven't

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seen you now in a couple years at least

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right yeah I let the less report that we

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have of you you were headed back to

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Chile but I guess you never quite made

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all right everybody yeah and what are

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you done shall we've been doing in that

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in those few years that I haven't seen

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you use the right for UFO universe and

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you were very very active in the UFO

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field and they kind of dropped out for

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at least a little while but now you're

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reimbursing like the Phoenix yeah that's

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exactly what happened yeah you know I

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was very active in the nineties and I

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was writing for your publications and

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faith I used to do the UFO column in

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faith magazine and then came in this I

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guess is appropriate for a conspiracy

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Journal then something called 911 and it

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completely kind of killed the UFO fields

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I mean economically yeah we're trying to

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make a living and I also I had been

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there so long that I kind of needed a

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break and if I couldn't make money even

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though I never made it almost any money

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anyway ask you know you know you want to

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get rich don't go on to you yeah no no

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but never not what he did ten top

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occupations they don't have that not

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Magnus counselor doesn't know the

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becoming ufologist or a writer probably

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right

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nevertheless I could pay rent or

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something and he justified it but then I

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couldn't so I kind of dropped out I

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needed a break

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I did some other things but and I

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actually I moved out of New York not

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immediately to Phoenix but I was in

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Northern Virginia for about three years

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I was going to go to Chile but somehow

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King things kept happening and I never

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made it

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I did go to South America for one kind

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of long extended trip in 2006 but I was

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in Ecuador I have a sister - her

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handsome family inequity and then I came

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back to New York and again other things

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happen and I sort of never made it I was

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kind of big for my time you know for our

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folks out there who are not familiar

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with your background outside of Corrales

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you probably have written more maybe

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more than he has even on UFO incidents

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and encounters and strange happenings

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throughout the South America yeah not

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just Chile although you're certainly

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written about that as as well and you've

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lectured by understand in a few South

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American countries oh yeah

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well I was just recently in Mexico City

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and they think you're for summit there

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that kinda my son they're sponsored and

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yeah I've lectured in Argentina Brazil

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Chile of course many times and a few

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other places and but of course I see

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yourself whenever you publish one of my

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books about your father right

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yes your yeah you're gonna hear you're a

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globalist you say you're glad I strike

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it's not very kind in and it kind of

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expanded into the different parts of the

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world I did a lot of business with the

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Japanese one time

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90s by to run back to what you asked me

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in the beginning so then eventually what

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happened is like I said I was kind of

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making a living but not really doing

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much and then I heard that there was a

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new company in Phoenix or in Tempe after

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we but in the Phoenix area called open

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minds production and that they had this

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they were hiring people journalists who

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had an international background in UFOs

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I mean if I had in my wildest dreams

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come up with the fantasy job that would

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not happen

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yeah that was it you know you you had

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also worked for it was it Laurance

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Rockefeller yeah indirectly what I did

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is I in fact I send John Rael which is

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my own boss I'd opened mine I did send

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him a copy yeah I was a co-author of the

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unifor briefing document that was

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probably one of my most famous

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production until maybe now offered

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maximum overshadow but for many years

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and I worked there with Mary Galvez who

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was the wife of their American

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ambassador to Paris during the Ronald

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Reagan so she was not your

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run-of-the-mill morphologist she was

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very well-connected and in fact the

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other lady who was a very close friend

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of mine who recently unfortunately

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passed away sadly right they probably

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heard of her and BSW foundation what a

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wonderful person she was a friend of

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John Key yes yes Ingo Swann and all that

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she'll to live in New York and these

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ladies contact me in the 90s when I was

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working for the Japanese with our friend

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Masahiro kaha to another IV VA you know

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the brainwave machine was a Japanese

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and psychic investigator so I ended up

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actually being the course or for that

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report

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manuscript but he polished high polished

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it and I added a lot of international

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thing because well he had some

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international things but in refresh of

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Spanish or Portuguese yeah so he was

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basing it on second or third hand source

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already emerged because the Hillary

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the Hillary Clinton courses now of the

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Secretary of State right was a

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photograph to carry walking with

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Laurance Rockefeller and carrying out

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the this year or some other volume what

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she's carrying out for years originally

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these photos were released by the

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Clinton Presidential Library but I think

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the first copies were there was a

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resolution was low or small so you could

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see the at that time the first lady

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walking on a wooded path with with that

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Laurance Rockefeller and she was

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obviously carrying a book but it's

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upside down on the back so the

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resolution was too low you used to be a

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game with people that's the best at

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whatever I do discover which book it is

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my issue or gonna buy yeah finally what

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happened is this guy I forget his name

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right now but he's connected to open

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minds yes forum would you not connected

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to us right although people mistaken it

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because of the name he's the one that

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finally discovered it but then he was

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through our website during publicizes

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that in fact the book that hillary was

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carrying was it's there I think it's

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called is there intelligent life or

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something like that it's by a famous

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physicist called potates

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that's because she's a or friend I'm not

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your relations - yeah he was these guys

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top of the line you know in fact he's a

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professor at ASU Arizona State

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University in Tempe even though he was

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originally Australian training long an

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interview yeah so we actually

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after by all can't study week he was one

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of the top scientists there but oddly

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publicity because even though he's in

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cloning mainstream scientists but he was

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criticizing setting for the I guess

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Urlacher was also whatever so he's a

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little different like it's a little bit

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more independent also I understand that

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in this book which is the one

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even is coming we cannot prove 100% this

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but we're pretty sure that what happened

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is that Rockefeller gave her the book

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yes what she's carrying oh yeah it's the

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type of book if you knew Rockefeller

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yeah I managed to money that entire know

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perfect gift for her we don't know yet

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right or not whatever also it wants to

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read a good contact e-book at you give

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invested in awesome yes I would that be

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normal for Rockefeller to give her

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another book

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did he comment on it no no he never did

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comment on it he was very reserved

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the only time he even wrote something on

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Rio Falls I mean of course the files are

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and Greg Cambron asked them is where so

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Steve Bassett so now we can document all

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the steps of the Rockefeller initiative

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it is kind of great you know

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satisfaction for me that actually my

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name does appear in those White House

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government indirectly i if they keep

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mentioning Marika operates because she's

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you know the socialites but if they

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included the the title page of our book

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and there is my name you know so I'm on

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I'm an official White House fights for

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whatever well okay so you're a globalist

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is the the main difference of Fetty

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the UFO phenomenon are actually quite

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similar although they are slightly

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differences but they're quite similar

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regardless was China or South America or

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Russia whatever where the difference is

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of the sociological impact that this

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phenomenon has on the culture on the

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local culture so in some countries like

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in an American countries the media for

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instance is very kind of UFOs are not a

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big deal

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immediately your folks happen over a big

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city ll be front-page

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newspapers a lot P Realty deal

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something's it's not something that is

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harsh so those kinds of difference do

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exist but the phenomenon itself I've

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seen its pinnacle systems except in the

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way it's treated so sometimes there are

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differences in the works period but it

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seems to me one of the things that

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convinced me when I got started with

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this on this phenomenon which was over

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30 years now is that yes even you ran in

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places that have Islamic people there of

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course in fact I read they took one of

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my put my book out mj-12 believe it or

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not and I were a great team but you

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worked out there is an iranian dish yes

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well I'm sure the fellow is done and now

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you know some Iranian prison and writers

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here's the mother's before the the

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overthrow yeah yeah yeah but well

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actually for the Islamic countries oddly

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enough they got less problems with the

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phenomenon that say even the Christian

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cultures because in the Islam they have

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a thing which is part of their culture

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and their religion called the the ginger

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in these are like fixers yeah yeah they

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actually abduct people and they

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teletransport do things like you walk up

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and still so whenever you have a in

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Islamic guy from I mean researcher in

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Islamic country immediately he makes a

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relationship okay this is not so

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different from what's in the Quran right

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so again you know we've got different

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different treatments but going back to

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the original question so what happened

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is basically I got hired by this company

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open minds and I it was like I said like

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a fantasy job I mean a real salary

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working as a real journalist like if you

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weren't working for CNN or whatever but

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doing UFOs full-time with you know

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guarantee salary medical benefits it

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works you know even if an alien

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abduction so I I sent him a big resume a

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include

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the briefing documents I had to fly for

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a job interview because that one

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condition is I had to move to Arizona

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yeah and of course I had never lived in

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the West I have been visiting many I saw

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you come on boots all the way over yeah

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well it was for your conference the

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first time I ever came to Phoenix

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yes it's finally funny how things kind

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of my life because Phoenix was the first

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city in the West that I ever came and

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now I'm living here then I went to

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California and New Mexico whatever

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better making the inflectional you've

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lectured all over the world well yeah

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Japan Europe South America so okay let's

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just take a couple of countries at

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random Chile give us like two or three

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incidents if you can recall finer detail

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well I mean of course there's the you

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know they're still yeah yeah now it's an

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interesting case that happened in

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nineteen I think it was 1985 yeah I mean

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people later became familiar with you

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know the Phoenix lights if anything is

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similar to the Phoenix lights except

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there was more footage of the Phoenix

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lights but there was some footage of

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this one too in an estimated at the time

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that about two million people saw these

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things and it was high noon it was time

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to walk to the national TV this was

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stated still the days of the military

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dictatorship in Chile but it was all

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over the media everything and I wasn't

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there unfortunately so I didn't see them

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but I came shortly after that because at

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that time my parents were still alive

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and I used to go to Chile usually once a

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year and I had a representative in Chile

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that would arrange lectures for me and

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boy that was one of the most more

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successful days for me but in part it

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was because of this incident that place

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we hired a room in a hotel in downtown

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Santiago we did we did it right this guy

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knew PR we went to every radio station

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news

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press releases everything the room was

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for 300 people we could get additional

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chairs for 200 more people we had 750

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and we have to turn people away and we

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have to create a second appearance or

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another day satisfying in all those

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people so imagine the TV cameras were

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there it was a big deal it's like well

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elected I was lecturing to three months

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after this incident and there were no

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professional colleges in Chile at the

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time there were some contactees or some

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people at the government but the

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government was not releasing what they

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were doing so basically after me yes we

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did create and move from Chile and

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slowly you know now there's tons of

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performances in Chile but back then yes

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I'm here I know there are contactees in

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Chile yeah although the contactees were

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not so much Chilean they were some

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contact teaching and of course but there

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were mostly more more famous ones like

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Stassi all over the place yeah they

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would have like franchise yeah whatever

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yeah yeah yeah Morris Siragusa Italian

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contactee he was made in Latin America

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and so on so it was weird whenever there

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was a famous incident that same pain

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waters or something the media didn't

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have anyone to go so they would go to

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the contactees

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but then that change in the eighties and

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then follows the big lucky buck oh I

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mean I would say the guy that I know the

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best is Roley go for Selena he's a nice

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guy but in Chile also has a government

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investigation actually it's just one of

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the countries yeah yeah they created a

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small office connected to the air

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traffic control office or the single

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aviation it would be likely the FAA had

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it you afford apartment they don't call

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you for the car and Domino's you know

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whatever but basically that's what it is

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and they have a retired Air Force

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general in charge of that which whom I

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know they're quite open if you go to

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Chile or anyone follows eastern coast of

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Chile

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usually they back it to lunch and I owe

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ya big budget don't have much

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yeah I guess they have I also any of

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these it would like England what was

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their budget okay I mean it was

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ridiculous with the a Modi croc elasaur

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investigation they said they were doing

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it for money and then but it was like 70

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thousand yeah yeah yeah I mean for a

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minute for the fence of the Western

402
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conduct is probably making more money

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now than what he worked as yeah so they

404
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didn't cut it from okay Brazil Brazil we

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gotta bring a trustee bring the trunk in

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I was fortunate haven't been back in the

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ceiling well AJ is a friend of a yeah

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yeah I even stayed in ages house you

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know as a matter of fact in age Brazil

410
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is one of the countries with richest

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your phone phenomena lots of occupants

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productions government documents you

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physical evidence physically you were

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for tax people that think that you're

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for aliens are nice I'm gonna save the

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planet maybe some will but I'm

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open-minded to anything but in Brazil

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you're gonna ignore you we publish this

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in you anymore Sweden yes in there you

420
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have this phenomenon called the troopers

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not to be confused about covers

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different cigar supers are these suckers

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basically that's what the word means

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yes you know music and there are nasty

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things and they attack people in these

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remote areas of the Amazon and as Jay

427
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right now has obtained the documents the

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Brazilian Air Force created a whole

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project cooperation prattle and

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operations awesome because there was

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panic even the sheriff had run out of

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these times so there was no everybody

433
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was freaking out so basically the Air

434
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Force came to Acme help people in to try

435
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to calm the situation by History Channel

436
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they produce special and of course this

437
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course Papa Bob Pratt incorrectly who

438
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had been down to Brazilian dragon I was

439
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like 11 times

440
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yeah the late Bob right but yet it's

441
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eased off easy stuff this was in the 70s

442
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we're still some incidents in the 80s

443
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maybe even in the nineties and of course

444
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the other one that was interested in

445
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this phenomenon Brazil was Valley

446
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rolling down in confrontations and

447
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intentionally this but at that time the

448
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the report was a rumor I mean people

449
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have been sending us this report but it

450
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was no proof now we have to be have the

451
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report and if you go to jail is website

452
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you can download anybody yeah yeah this

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will be at our the book disclosure the

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shortest even so Brazil that's

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fascinating now you want to go on the

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countries Russia Russia was which again

457
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we did that book which you publish which

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at the time was kind of pioneering

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that's right nobody had done it and if

460
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in fact when you when an art book came

461
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out it was still called Islamic dude

462
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that's right but Russia what happened is

463
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when Gorbachev came to power and open up

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the controls we knew they weren't your

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fault in Russia we where's my mother

466
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yeah there were some you know they there

467
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was a little Digest magazine called

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Sputnik booty when I was fifteen years

469
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old they published a letter of mine with

470
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my aunt drive something I got two

471
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letters it could read but no magazine

472
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was ancient astronauts yeah there was

473
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some subculture of it but it was still

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pretty repressed and when glaspell's

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came you know there that policy of

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openness then the Russian media went

477
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crazy with you folks in any word just

478
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ever even the most a newspapers like

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Brad though whatever they were all junk

480
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all the rather now or selling yeah yeah

481
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yeah yeah

482
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of course the one case that Guardian

483
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tremendous publicity well it on a few

484
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cases I made front page in the nearest

485
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yes you were I'm yeah boring is that's

486
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right the Warren is close encounter of

487
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the Third Kind

488
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I think Peter Robbins has been putting

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together so one of his presentations and

490
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crash retrievals so I think one in Las

491
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Vegas you know so yeah Russia

492
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fascinating cases in by everywhere China

493
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which many years wouldn't know anything

494
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then eventually they opened up to and

495
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now I've met when she Dean professor

496
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he was a very distinguished man this is

497
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the only follow gist that has appeal

498
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both on the front page of the New York

499
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Times and The Wall Street Journal but

500
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he's a very nice guy

501
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his background is very fascinating

502
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because in that reason I could interview

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him and talk to him at length he was a

504
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Spanish linguist and he used to be in

505
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actually I have a photo that he gave me

506
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he used to be chairman mao's interpreter

507
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for Spanish oh yeah so if you hadn't say

508
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the president of worldwide visiting

509
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China and there is a picture that he

510
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gave me I think it's the head of the old

511
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wine communist party

512
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yeah can you see Chairman Mao this guy

513
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whatever his name is young son singing

514
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and it was because of that that he was

515
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working for the Chinese Foreign Office

516
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and whatever their propaganda the

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magazines and all that in the Spanish

518
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section and he got a book by a

519
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researcher from Spain who passed away

520
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now profile Kaiser it was basically an

521
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ancient astronaut book at the time it

522
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was nothing in China I think I read the

523
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book from cover to cover it instantly

524
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became an expert because nobody knew

525
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anything about UFOs in China so the army

526
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was being invited to lecture

527
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universities and everything and that's

528
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how I mentioned the Chinese put this

529
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thing called the core of China UFO

530
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research organization which is not open

531
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to the real public otherwise it would

532
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have liked it you know yourself you have

533
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to like an engineer yeah

534
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they're still the largest in the world

535
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you know people move on almost things

536
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they are know yeah yeah one of three

537
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thousand other people have 37 is a great

538
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place so again China has lots of cases I

539
00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:05,929
definitely think of a single country

540
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enough that I know you have okay no even

541
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the most well you know about African

542
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country or yeah it sooner or later you

543
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hear when for instance equity there's

544
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some countries that for some reason

545
00:22:22,389 --> 00:22:20,480
don't have a UFO subculture meaning they

546
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don't have magazines they don't have you

547
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:24,169
know forget his angels and cutters for

548
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:25,799
some reason it's one of those

549
00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,169
for magazines no no groups nothing

550
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:30,600
however I have family there as I

551
00:22:35,749 --> 00:22:32,700
mentioned earlier when you're talking

552
00:22:38,299 --> 00:22:35,759
with people socially you go to whatever

553
00:22:40,729 --> 00:22:38,309
to my system is there so I may have been

554
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:40,739
a dinner party something and people know

555
00:22:45,769 --> 00:22:43,049
that you are in the UFOs then you start

556
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:45,779
hearing anecdotally cases oh when I was

557
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:48,659
a student of medicine in the 1960s I had

558
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:51,330
a signing and so on so even if but they

559
00:22:55,369 --> 00:22:53,129
had nowhere to report the media will

560
00:22:58,060 --> 00:22:55,379
report usually but that's it you know I

561
00:23:00,649 --> 00:22:58,070
and I find I heard a fascinating cases

562
00:23:03,139 --> 00:23:00,659
through my own personal context of my

563
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:03,149
family relatives of a guy who's very

564
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:05,820
rich guy in fact he later was a bathrobe

565
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:07,769
Ecuador in Washington very prominent guy

566
00:23:16,489 --> 00:23:13,679
he his family had this big farm in some

567
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:16,499
area subtropical area and it was a Dutch

568
00:23:22,489 --> 00:23:21,480
guy whose overseer and in this case I

569
00:23:25,330 --> 00:23:22,499
don't know when it would have happened

570
00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:25,340
probably around 6:00 in the 60s

571
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:28,230
sexuality in the 60s maybe 64 somewhere

572
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:30,419
like that and supposedly there was a big

573
00:23:34,849 --> 00:23:32,460
deal for landing there and a lot of the

574
00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:34,859
workers and peasants oi and this guy boy

575
00:23:38,869 --> 00:23:37,230
so they didn't have a case it doesn't

576
00:23:41,299 --> 00:23:38,879
exist in the uniform literature no

577
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:41,309
because it was never reported it didn't

578
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:42,539
happen you know when officially it

579
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:43,950
didn't happen in the big city so it

580
00:23:47,509 --> 00:23:45,809
didn't make it to the press but we have

581
00:23:49,879 --> 00:23:47,519
it from a very good source a guy who was

582
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,889
that bastard Rebecca in Washington would

583
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:52,080
they've seen himself but knew the Dutch

584
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,940
guy who was the overseer and he said

585
00:23:58,099 --> 00:23:55,919
they won probably about 30 people who

586
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:58,109
were the witnesses with landing

587
00:24:04,249 --> 00:24:00,299
everything no thing no any aliens coming

588
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,259
I don't remember that yeah he's loose

589
00:24:08,989 --> 00:24:07,440
yeah well they were they used to call

590
00:24:12,139 --> 00:24:08,999
that that term is totally out of fashion

591
00:24:15,349 --> 00:24:12,149
now they for now actually you know it

592
00:24:16,940 --> 00:24:15,359
was a writer for our interplanetary News

593
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,950
Service report there was a Catholic

594
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:19,679
priest by the name of Reverend guy JC r

595
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:21,960
uh-huh and he was so he came up with a

596
00:24:27,019 --> 00:24:24,389
list of like a hundred UFO terms it's

597
00:24:29,659 --> 00:24:27,029
the only one that anyone you know 19

598
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:29,669
units it yeah it can I guess the

599
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:31,890
Catholic he used to write a river guide

600
00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:34,200
Cerre Cyr he was up in New England he

601
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:37,230
used to write articles for us and that

602
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:40,650
was his turn so don't anybody ya know

603
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:45,330
yes I can show you well of course you

604
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:47,250
know we have an effect on the next issue

605
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:50,130
of open minds we had or the magazine we

606
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:52,170
have a big the cover story which I wrote

607
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:56,370
on the bat it is not just like we do a

608
00:25:01,160 --> 00:24:58,500
whole historical thing not just on the

609
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:01,170
recent statements by the astronomers

610
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:05,130
from the Vatican Observatory in what was

611
00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:08,130
very interesting is that about two years

612
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,550
ago in 2008 the Observatory Romano which

613
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:13,500
is official newspaper of the Vatican the

614
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:14,910
official voice of the Catholic Church

615
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:17,010
published a famous interview with

616
00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:18,510
foolish who is the director of the

617
00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:20,160
Vatican Observatory who comes from

618
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:22,230
Argentina and you know what was the

619
00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:24,090
title of the article the extractor

620
00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:26,790
restaurant is my brother I was like a

621
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,920
clear statement you know well if I put a

622
00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:30,480
cover line like that on that magazine

623
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:34,950
that is but what we discuss in this

624
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:37,290
article is not just that you know in

625
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:39,330
other statements like that conference

626
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:41,490
that happened in Rome recently at the

627
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:43,530
Vatican where that same scientist paul

628
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:46,110
davids that was yes yes he was there but

629
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,340
we also talked about the Vatican

630
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:50,640
colleges which the most famous was

631
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:52,500
Balducci once he has a bleaching you

632
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,110
might have maybe no I did but I survived

633
00:26:00,020 --> 00:25:57,840
heard the talk to him of course the

634
00:26:01,130 --> 00:26:00,030
difference between the so called mattock

635
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:01,140
and follow Jews and the Vatican

636
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,450
astronomers it's like the American

637
00:26:08,270 --> 00:26:05,820
mythologist were not official even

638
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:08,280
Bellucci Oh was saying on even though he

639
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,710
can always misquote it later you know

640
00:26:14,150 --> 00:26:12,480
everybody who said Vatican says you know

641
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:14,160
you want to say no this is my opinion

642
00:26:19,550 --> 00:26:17,190
I'm not talking for the Vatican he was a

643
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:19,560
priest he was the chief demonologist for

644
00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:21,690
the violin so his terminology yes I

645
00:26:28,550 --> 00:26:24,500
still have his card in his card says

646
00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:28,560
Monsignor Corrado Balducci theologian /

647
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,430
demonology yes that's a better job

648
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:33,900
however miss you oh my god

649
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:36,600
my my co-workers you know I'd open minds

650
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:39,300
he said that later the Monsignor printed

651
00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:41,310
a new card that said the monologist

652
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:45,830
slash who follows yeah why he didn't

653
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:48,090
know the interesting thing about

654
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:50,220
Banducci is and of course he was an

655
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:51,450
expert on Venus

656
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,010
if anybody's attend you know he was the

657
00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:55,320
Vatican exercise I mean he knew as much

658
00:27:01,790 --> 00:26:58,830
as anybody but he always said that that

659
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:01,800
they were not related in his opinion

660
00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:04,590
anyway now as he said in his coming was

661
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:07,640
interesting he said demons and angels

662
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:10,860
don't need machines to travel between a

663
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,810
and B you know they just teleport on

664
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:14,400
themselves they don't need a machine

665
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:18,360
Thank You opposed so in his opinion they

666
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:21,270
were extraterrestrial now but that

667
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,280
creates problems in the Catholic dogma

668
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:25,380
which is what without this in discussing

669
00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:27,330
not only my article but we have an

670
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,220
article by Dan Sheehan - you know the

671
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:31,440
famous attorney mmm John Mac's attorney

672
00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:33,210
and he was an actor in front of the

673
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:35,670
Jesuits interesting so yeah he's got

674
00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:37,350
good connections with the Catholic

675
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:39,300
Church his article is more philosophical

676
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,190
what are the implications

677
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:43,740
Oh mine is more just like the facts you

678
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:45,510
know this is what this astronomer said

679
00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:49,010
or I talked about sightings in Rome -

680
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,870
the river could not see Peter yeah

681
00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:54,000
remember when they formed the you know

682
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:55,800
I've been trying to we find where that

683
00:28:00,380 --> 00:27:58,140
the original article was at Ray Palmer's

684
00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:00,390
magazine years ago I don't know whether

685
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:01,950
he stole alignments publishing flying

686
00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:03,210
saucer review yeah

687
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:04,680
the original well not the original the

688
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,810
original wasn't out yet this came from

689
00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:08,520
might not be not EP nothing to sell you

690
00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:10,920
know publicizing better a go Alberto

691
00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:14,070
Pareto who had 1950 1954 yeah who was it

692
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:17,070
what a maverick yeah can't remember

693
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,370
where my keys are but this article we

694
00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:22,380
also not only we mentioned that case we

695
00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:24,150
have the diamond

696
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:26,040
I remember diagrams yeah well you know I

697
00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:28,410
was recently at the the Vatican in fact

698
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:32,670
them I produced a DVD that's out now

699
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:34,590
it's called secrets of the valium in the

700
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:38,460
Vatican I took my little camera and shot

701
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,290
a lot of the footage there of the secret

702
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:43,200
library and and so forth and we talked

703
00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:44,970
about some of the the scandals that have

704
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:46,540
God but the thing that

705
00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:48,310
treat me the most and really puzzled me

706
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:49,960
when you walk through the Vatican you

707
00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:52,900
know you go from one church to another

708
00:28:58,740 --> 00:28:54,940
one hallway to another out in the

709
00:29:01,710 --> 00:28:58,750
vatican courtyard there is this giant

710
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:01,720
globe that's maybe ten feet by ten feet

711
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:03,610
and I'm looking at this and I say well

712
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:05,740
what in the heck is this doing here and

713
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:07,870
then it dawned on me it looks exactly

714
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:12,850
like this painting from the I guess 14th

715
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:15,250
century you know that's I like this

716
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:16,990
would be one guess what yeah that is

717
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:20,110
from the early 1600 1600 okay and it's a

718
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:26,230
it's in a church of peda near in fact

719
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:28,030
they have excited inviting everybody to

720
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,770
come in and I said well what the start

721
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:32,080
well looks like that in the end the

722
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:33,940
chair of the faith the painter of that

723
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,980
is called Sonny Benny yeah it's a

724
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,080
remarkable painting that was a you know

725
00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:39,760
where for a solid it's putting it the

726
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:42,670
Russian magazine uh-huh yeah yeah how do

727
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:44,410
we know the Russians India now we're

728
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,750
talking on them way way old yeah Soviet

729
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:49,360
days there was one theory the you modern

730
00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:52,150
UFOs they were a little leery about that

731
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:54,100
because obviously they had no control

732
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:56,110
what these things are there but there

733
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:57,970
was one theory they kind of liked and

734
00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:00,520
that was the ancient astronauts because

735
00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:02,800
long before von daniken yeah who I just

736
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:10,080
but low before von Daniken there was a

737
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:12,580
whole school of Russian Soviets back in

738
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,810
our presence there yeah I grasped a

739
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:17,830
questionable letter to him right now

740
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,390
he's poking with the fact he wrote a

741
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:21,520
manuscript or a book that was never

742
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,410
published they want to be the publisher

743
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,840
but it was in such bad English and at

744
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:27,520
the age of 15 I had some editorial

745
00:30:32,610 --> 00:30:30,100
problems yeah and you had a believe type

746
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:32,620
everything from scratch it was like you

747
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:34,540
could scan in the correct a reason that

748
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:36,460
they were the Soviets at that time the

749
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,260
Soviet ideology like the ancient

750
00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:39,760
astronaut theory because it took

751
00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:41,920
religion away from a lot of these you

752
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:43,480
know okay now you can talk about ancient

753
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,590
gods or whatever they were aliens

754
00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:47,840
not real gods that's right so that was I

755
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,700
think that's why that was allowed to

756
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:51,200
such an extent because there was

757
00:30:57,010 --> 00:30:52,760
certainly many many books and articles

758
00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:57,020
and published under Soviet days so there

759
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,500
anyway

760
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,200
there's all kinds of things okay

761
00:31:02,649 --> 00:31:01,760
Scandinavian countries plenty of Roy OH

762
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,659
Norway

763
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:05,360
going back to what nineteen yeah yeah

764
00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:07,400
yeah and also you had the stuff that

765
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:09,409
gives to John Keeler late John keel used

766
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:13,610
to be fascinating the euro so yes that's

767
00:31:16,419 --> 00:31:14,960
right that goes wrong they had them

768
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:16,429
trapped and everything and then they

769
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:17,570
would do something or what you gotta

770
00:31:22,779 --> 00:31:19,130
tell us muscle Eenie

771
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:22,789
oh yeah now is this true as far as I

772
00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:26,809
know it is true and this will just get

773
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:28,760
people in to explain a little bit what

774
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:29,809
it is

775
00:31:34,049 --> 00:31:33,260
in the late 90s some documents were

776
00:31:37,149 --> 00:31:34,059
mailed

777
00:31:39,789 --> 00:31:37,159
I think it cannot be in a couple of

778
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,799
other people so it's a little bit like

779
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:42,559
mj-12 the difference with inject office

780
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:45,289
a crucial loan the documents were the

781
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,330
original it were not photographs or

782
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,480
photocopies with your actual painter so

783
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:52,640
these guys did it right they kept the

784
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,890
investigation very very quiet and what

785
00:32:00,399 --> 00:31:57,440
they did is they engaged some forensic

786
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:00,409
experts attached to the Italian Ministry

787
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:02,809
of Justice I met the guy and you know I

788
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:04,610
used to go to the San Marino symposium

789
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:06,409
which is this little independent

790
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:08,360
republic in the middle of Italy they had

791
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:09,950
a wonderful new a [\h__\h] podium they

792
00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:11,960
still do but in the 90s it was big

793
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:13,460
budget so they wouldn't bring people

794
00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:16,220
from all over the world and I met the

795
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:17,409
guy there his name is Antonio

796
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,850
karomingian not it couldn't care less

797
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:21,679
about quality that was not anything you

798
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:24,230
just had to look at these papers tell me

799
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:27,470
if they're forged or real or not and the

800
00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:29,000
guy basically you know they did the

801
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:30,950
chemical analysis of the paper the ink

802
00:32:38,529 --> 00:32:35,860
you know that and also the style the

803
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,539
stylistic you know and when compared to

804
00:32:42,909 --> 00:32:41,120
other documents from the fascist era it

805
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:42,919
basically they concluded that were real

806
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:45,950
all the work in forgery done in the 30s

807
00:32:51,549 --> 00:32:48,289
because the chemical analysis all that

808
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:51,559
dated to that urine and basically what

809
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:53,750
it would have been if this is true is

810
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:55,850
that there was a rash of sightings the

811
00:33:00,170 --> 00:32:56,940
beginning in the

812
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,180
early thirties in Italy costing of hack

813
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,220
sightings in Scandinavia two of the

814
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,320
mystery airplane so that it by itself is

815
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:07,320
not so so different what is different of

816
00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:09,240
this case is that it would have created

817
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:12,270
the very first government investigation

818
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:14,490
ever on this phenomenon so Mussolini

819
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:17,340
this through his brother and son-in-law

820
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:21,240
the channel Tom Chiana who was the

821
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:23,100
foreign minister of the fascist regime

822
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:26,940
they created a cabinet a special group

823
00:33:34,010 --> 00:33:31,070
of cabinet something like 33 - s and

824
00:33:36,790 --> 00:33:34,020
supposedly they put the famous world

825
00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:36,800
famous scientist Marconi in charge of it

826
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:39,660
and this cabin of course it was a

827
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,310
dictatorship so they control the media

828
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:43,200
and all that but in case something was

829
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:46,440
seen widely they even had instructions

830
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:48,510
to publish like cover stories

831
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:50,730
and like if something was seen was okay

832
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:52,350
let's say it's a meteorite or something

833
00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:54,360
like that now what's interesting to that

834
00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:56,550
one there early documents and these were

835
00:34:01,010 --> 00:33:58,230
a bunch of sightings and drawings and

836
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:01,020
everything they didn't think that they

837
00:34:05,150 --> 00:34:03,510
were Indian they started with a problem

838
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:05,160
which was probably in the early days of

839
00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:06,990
the American investigation - or the

840
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:08,430
Russian investigation they thought it

841
00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:09,780
was their enemies you know they were

842
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:11,640
British or frame what were the craft

843
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,090
scratches some were cigar shaped they

844
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:17,040
call him like something like they use a

845
00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:19,620
cute term like unconventional air

846
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:20,340
mobiles

847
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:21,690
or something because obviously there was

848
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:23,370
no term flying so are they doing

849
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:26,190
anything shuttle ready no no not not not

850
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,110
that I know shooting or attacking people

851
00:34:32,390 --> 00:34:30,480
but they were flying around and they

852
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:32,400
seemed definitely structured that's why

853
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:33,720
they thought there was some kind of

854
00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:35,970
weapon that they other countries had

855
00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:37,830
they knew it was an Italian or German

856
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:39,840
because they were able to determine so

857
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:42,090
they have to be really sure French but

858
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:43,980
obviously they couldn't prove this after

859
00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:45,510
a while I guess they realized it wasn't

860
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:47,880
British or French and then there's this

861
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:50,370
strange speech that Mussolini gave in

862
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:54,000
1943 I believe to some fascist Workers

863
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:54,510
Union

864
00:34:58,820 --> 00:34:55,950
something teeny was reported in the

865
00:35:01,880 --> 00:34:58,830
Italian press where he said that the

866
00:35:05,090 --> 00:35:01,890
next war won't be between countries but

867
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:05,100
between the earth in some like flying

868
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:07,050
fortresses from Mars or something like

869
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:09,420
that in people at the time they don't

870
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:12,060
know what the heck Mussolini was talking

871
00:35:18,590 --> 00:35:14,100
about but now well this is yes is a

872
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,600
great yeah I mean mysterious craft and

873
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,940
occupants and also still has been going

874
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,800
out of course Charles Ford for wrote

875
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:24,480
this but there's even so much you know

876
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:27,270
now I mean that for all the time only

877
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:29,460
recently and I have found some of this

878
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:31,290
and not only they all are articles for

879
00:35:34,850 --> 00:35:32,970
the magnet your magazines as well but

880
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,860
I'm just putting on the web now so a new

881
00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:36,060
articles on the open mind

882
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:39,360
talk to me but and about cases in the

883
00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:42,840
historical cases in China and in some of

884
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,380
them are even fight by well-known

885
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:47,880
writers and philosophers and people like

886
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:49,290
that I mean not I mean of course they

887
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:50,820
probably do and know them but if you

888
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:52,530
read the history of Chinese literature

889
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,020
whatever these are known people you're

890
00:35:58,940 --> 00:35:56,640
not like obscure people there were

891
00:36:01,940 --> 00:35:58,950
famous scholars and the twelve hundred

892
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,950
so the sixteen hundreds so yes there is

893
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:04,380
phenomena all over the all over history

894
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:05,970
to of course we're just talking about

895
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:08,040
the paintings the European painting

896
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:11,070
recently when I was in Mexico they show

897
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:13,290
me a painting from colonial times which

898
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:14,700
I've never seen we've all seen the

899
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:17,310
Italian one serious or some in Spain or

900
00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:19,380
whatever but this one is in Mexico like

901
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:21,600
from the Baroque from colonial periods

902
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:24,750
and it looked like I'm going to get a

903
00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:26,310
better copy of it and it looked like

904
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:28,620
again like another kind of global

905
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:31,350
phenomenon you you see the Virgin Mary

906
00:36:35,870 --> 00:36:33,960
and Jesus in the heavens with surrounded

907
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,880
by angels or whatever and here you see

908
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:37,980
like a room some kind of yellowish

909
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:40,890
object gone because I think that what

910
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:44,300
happened in historical times is that

911
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:47,400
we're one outlet with these visions have

912
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:49,050
right so they would put them in pretty

913
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:50,550
just paintings because they probably

914
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,730
interpret them

915
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:54,160
ain't no men slain of God or something

916
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:54,880
like that

917
00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:59,020
so what does this tell us I mean let's

918
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:01,540
breakdown them down in the phenomena now

919
00:37:06,510 --> 00:37:04,930
what yeah when I started this you know

920
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:06,520
investigation this would have been in

921
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:09,850
the early 60s I I was convinced because

922
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:12,670
of probably of what I had read the UFOs

923
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:14,530
were interplanetary they had to be

924
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:16,390
writing some other plan because yeah

925
00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:18,300
because we did we certainly didn't have

926
00:37:22,859 --> 00:37:21,220
the amount that amount of data that we

927
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:22,869
have down this is right historical and

928
00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:25,450
its global doesn't it seem kind of

929
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:28,300
unreasonable that these objects would be

930
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,790
I mean okay you have a you know

931
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,560
sightings here and there so but this has

932
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:34,000
been going on for hundreds and hundreds

933
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:36,520
of years why first of all if they were

934
00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:39,010
aliens why would they be making somebody

935
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:41,190
trips and where do they go I know I

936
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:43,930
think that you've had my own I'm not a

937
00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:46,180
theory man but I mean after over 30

938
00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:48,550
years because I have some ideas first of

939
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:50,740
all I think that there's a multiplicity

940
00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:53,650
oh yes our nation's yeah in products I

941
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:55,900
so followed is fighting it really hard

942
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,290
you know

943
00:38:01,140 --> 00:37:58,480
yeah then whatever they're the

944
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:01,150
dimensional ones versus eighty ones and

945
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,220
I think and then when I realized too is

946
00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:05,200
that once you have a very informed

947
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:08,500
theory the phenomenon is so vast and

948
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:10,780
amorphous in a way that you will

949
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:13,330
interpret those aspects of the phenomena

950
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:15,369
that suits your theory yes so you'll

951
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:17,260
find certain types of case because they

952
00:38:22,349 --> 00:38:19,720
look like et right or the other guy who

953
00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:22,359
they look like dimensional or whatever

954
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:24,700
so I kind of stay with me but I think

955
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:28,710
there is a problem multiple explanations

956
00:38:35,609 --> 00:38:31,930
somebody to the restroom probably could

957
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:35,619
be but most probably not I agree I think

958
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:38,310
it's something closer to our environment

959
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:41,890
whether it's that they are you know

960
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,650
multiple dimensions or something like

961
00:38:50,099 --> 00:38:47,680
that because yeah if there's so many of

962
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:50,109
them yet they're not enough invading or

963
00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:50,740
anything like that

964
00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:53,980
yes yeah right right have you ever seen

965
00:38:59,500 --> 00:38:56,300
in a UFO yeah I've seen some UFOs

966
00:39:03,370 --> 00:38:59,510
nothing that nothing at close range but

967
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:03,380
I'm tipsy about three times well

968
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:04,940
recently in Mexico City

969
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:06,710
actually there were UFO sightings and I

970
00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:09,290
saw them if I had read their camps I

971
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:10,940
probably said it's [\h__\h] just hide

972
00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:12,950
from the conference or whatever but we

973
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:14,540
hi so with my own eyes

974
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:16,940
it wasn't a very spectacular thing but

975
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,770
of course we had this guy who's sort of

976
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:20,480
the big contactee at the moment now

977
00:39:24,610 --> 00:39:23,030
tourism NZ no the Italian guy yeah yeah

978
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,620
but he brings a man up in reason

979
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:26,480
amazement I mean I saw with my own eyes

980
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:28,430
when you see its footage there's some of

981
00:39:31,450 --> 00:39:30,380
these footage is very metallic and close

982
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:31,460
to song and I took somebody else's

983
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:33,470
bathroom we got ours yep

984
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:36,290
oh they don't you know I know but these

985
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,820
were totally different I mean first of

986
00:39:42,490 --> 00:39:39,680
all that are plenty of other people they

987
00:39:45,310 --> 00:39:42,500
were very high in the sky like a little

988
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:45,320
point of light but they were take time

989
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:48,170
and yeah the kind of rockets from our

990
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:50,090
company he even got it on Monday and

991
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:53,450
it's I got an article in our website so

992
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:55,400
that was my latest sighting by prior to

993
00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:58,490
that although dad could have even

994
00:40:02,590 --> 00:40:00,980
beatable I'm not saying it was like a

995
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:02,600
lot of the sightings of Mexico simple

996
00:40:07,150 --> 00:40:05,150
you know some planet Venus or right I

997
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:07,160
think there's a lot of there's too many

998
00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:10,250
sightings in Mexico and so you need to

999
00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:12,080
filter them we have their Stella some

1000
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:13,940
may be there well you know you know

1001
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:15,650
people think that this is the the the

1002
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:17,300
sightings in Mexico it's a recent you

1003
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:21,770
know occurrence but I remember a book

1004
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:23,930
called flying saucer pilgrimage and it

1005
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:25,940
was written on 1956 or something like

1006
00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:26,240
that

1007
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:29,600
and Adamski made his first the trip to

1008
00:40:34,210 --> 00:40:32,150
Mexico to lecture and there was a fellow

1009
00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:34,220
that the escorted him around

1010
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:36,440
throughout his tour there who was a

1011
00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:38,900
chauffeur I remember yeah yeah and a

1012
00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:40,580
show idea name right yeah yeah but the

1013
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:42,830
show for everyone was a contact II

1014
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:44,930
welding when would you think it was the

1015
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:47,750
first Mexican beautiful way but it

1016
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:48,980
wasn't there an astronomer who took a

1017
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:51,050
photo of ya over the moon

1018
00:41:01,319 --> 00:40:59,400
No okay okay doing better than most pain

1019
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:01,329
well c'mon say goodnight ease with that

1020
00:41:05,609 --> 00:41:03,070
cliff you know that's not the first time

1021
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:05,619
actually I this I have a big article

1022
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,530
coming as a next issue of open minds if

1023
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:11,200
you read all the historical books of the

1024
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:14,550
conquest I always wanted to do that well

1025
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:17,290
a lot of patience well yeah you actually

1026
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:19,390
read this book I like you don't have to

1027
00:41:23,339 --> 00:41:20,950
read the whole book you can go to the

1028
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:23,349
chapter yeah they they don't call them

1029
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:25,210
UFOs obviously they call them owners

1030
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:29,050
yeah and the empire of Montezuma yeah

1031
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:31,450
for a period of about ten years was

1032
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:34,810
flying with weird appearances all kinds

1033
00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:39,070
of things light in the sky weird

1034
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:42,700
phenomena monsters whatever and so later

1035
00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:45,820
they were seen as presages you know

1036
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:48,520
almonds of the form of the other big

1037
00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:51,400
environment a big on the spanish some of

1038
00:41:57,180 --> 00:41:53,380
the cases are truly fascinating there's

1039
00:42:00,690 --> 00:41:57,190
one were the some fishermen finding

1040
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,700
birth in the in the lagoon there because

1041
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:02,319
mexico city was a you know like many

1042
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:04,650
centos remember it was all mostly water

1043
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:07,240
and they but it was not a normal

1044
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:09,160
practical inferred obviously did not

1045
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:10,990
have a head instead of a head it had a

1046
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,510
mirror on this one that on the head so

1047
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:15,520
they bring him to Montezuma himself and

1048
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:18,700
he's looking at it and he sees the

1049
00:42:24,359 --> 00:42:21,880
planets on the mirror and then he sees

1050
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:24,369
like a marching army which is a Spanish

1051
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:26,380
you know coming to basically conquer

1052
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:30,430
them so then he moves it to the to his

1053
00:42:35,130 --> 00:42:32,290
astrologers or whatever he's some

1054
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,140
insight is whatever they were and then

1055
00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:37,359
their birth takes off so what was this

1056
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:39,099
was some kind of mechanical device that

1057
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:41,950
time time or was some supernatural

1058
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:44,710
phenomenon yet all these cases are

1059
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:46,390
mentioned in The Chronicles there's

1060
00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:49,660
another case of a peasant who gets

1061
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:52,900
literally abducted by an ego a needle

1062
00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:54,760
grabs him and that takes him to the key

1063
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,430
to a cave and talks to him this is

1064
00:43:01,820 --> 00:42:59,040
publishing books and in this

1065
00:43:03,350 --> 00:43:01,830
city limits is talking evil I mean you

1066
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:03,360
see all this after please with talking

1067
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:04,830
Powell's and things like that

1068
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:07,950
so I think that there was a you were

1069
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:09,690
following there that took place in

1070
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:12,750
between 15 10 and 15 20 the Spanish

1071
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:15,570
Court ISKCON in 1519 and I think it also

1072
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:18,030
has a message and not that I'm not a

1073
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:20,730
negative person at all but I'm not a you

1074
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:23,550
know naive either a believer in aliens

1075
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:26,190
on say my world because here there were

1076
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:28,650
what happened in the Spanish there to

1077
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:30,930
say I mean the Indians in the Mexicans

1078
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,030
they constitute also they had these

1079
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,560
prophecies of other return of

1080
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:37,140
Quetzalcoatl which was sort of avatar or

1081
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:39,570
whatever and so when the Spanish came

1082
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:41,910
they first thought they were this pizza

1083
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:43,320
bottom paying twenty court it's like a

1084
00:43:46,310 --> 00:43:45,810
gone and obviously turn out to be false

1085
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,320
God

1086
00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:48,300
so I think there's a message there a

1087
00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:50,100
foreigner a lot of people that think

1088
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:51,750
that aliens are wonderful and what'll

1089
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:54,180
save the planet or whatever I mean I

1090
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:55,560
mean when you recently had all this

1091
00:44:00,680 --> 00:43:58,050
brouhaha over Stephen Hopkins came from

1092
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,690
yes yes yeah I mean nothing is right but

1093
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:03,000
if we look at also the history of our

1094
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:04,500
own planet you know when you're some

1095
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,630
more advanced culture does come into

1096
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:08,460
contact with the less advanced culture

1097
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,770
I'm talking events technologically not

1098
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,140
business more mentally you know it could

1099
00:44:17,810 --> 00:44:15,180
be properly and and tell I must admit

1100
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:17,820
I'm very impressed you're a walking

1101
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:20,220
encyclopedia of the the subject I

1102
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,450
thought I knew a lot but you've done

1103
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,180
you've got it down you ever think

1104
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:27,240
there's gonna be disclosure I think that

1105
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:28,770
I don't think in the in the dramatic

1106
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:31,610
disclosure I think disclosure is it very

1107
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:34,050
like they have that saying death by a

1108
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,790
thousand cuts or something which we're

1109
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:37,500
seeing and it's been happening already

1110
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:40,490
for years but it's very slow process

1111
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:43,140
unless the aliens themselves force the

1112
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:45,150
issue they could force it yesterday they

1113
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:46,680
wanted he had knocked on the door yeah

1114
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:50,850
and they don't so yeah I don't know and

1115
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:53,460
I know I'm not a big believer in the

1116
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,410
dramatic disclosure but if you look at

1117
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:58,560
the current generations and you ask them

1118
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:00,540
about aliens they think it's perfectly

1119
00:45:03,339 --> 00:45:01,170
natural

1120
00:45:06,049 --> 00:45:03,349
they don't have all these you know

1121
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:06,059
hangups like our generation had about

1122
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:08,010
the issue I think that they've been so

1123
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:10,680
many not only you for material but also

1124
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,740
science fiction and Hollywood movies and

1125
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:16,500
you think leave your game you say alien

1126
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,130
discover any of the government's no I

1127
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:21,839
think the government's some governments

1128
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:23,670
the major governments have a lot of data

1129
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:27,150
and it may be probably even pieces of

1130
00:45:31,549 --> 00:45:29,430
objects or whatever maybe even then

1131
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:31,559
aliens who knows but I don't think they

1132
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:32,730
have the complete picture

1133
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:34,260
that's what if they if they completely

1134
00:45:37,579 --> 00:45:35,730
knew everything maybe they would have

1135
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:37,589
released it but if they don't if they

1136
00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:39,390
already know these things are real but

1137
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:41,430
they don't know the basic questions you

1138
00:45:46,579 --> 00:45:44,040
know what I why they're coming here then

1139
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:46,589
they wouldn't reveal it well I used to

1140
00:45:51,049 --> 00:45:48,630
be hynek's opinions and all the late dr.

1141
00:45:52,789 --> 00:45:51,059
Heine feel he said that it was so that

1142
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:52,799
was a reason of the cover-up it was like

1143
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:55,650
because the government it's like a like

1144
00:45:59,299 --> 00:45:57,089
a father right he's supposed to have all

1145
00:46:01,400 --> 00:45:59,309
the answers and for them to come to the

1146
00:46:03,049 --> 00:46:01,410
public saying oh yeah we know these

1147
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,059
things are real but first of all we

1148
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,460
cannot control them and second we don't

1149
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:07,440
know really what their own whether their

1150
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:09,270
goal if there is the scourge of where do

1151
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:11,609
you think it will come from outside of

1152
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,030
them if there is I think it's almost

1153
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:17,640
more likely to be outside in an exit

1154
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,240
company

1155
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,160
well Mexico and the weird thing about

1156
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:22,260
Mexico is like if the government has

1157
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:24,510
been practically nothing in Mexico right

1158
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:26,970
I recently saw kind of a at this taylean

1159
00:46:30,740 --> 00:46:29,250
in LA I mean my son and they're asking

1160
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,750
about the mexican air force and he said

1161
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,940
the practica doesn't exist in mexican

1162
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:34,380
there's practically no mexican air force

1163
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,930
yeah it was that one video yeah yeah

1164
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:39,359
that's the Mexican every opposite but

1165
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,369
that was even a project financed by us

1166
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,740
or for a dragon to death right yeah you

1167
00:46:51,049 --> 00:46:46,200
see how well that works yeah it's not

1168
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,059
very well yeah no I don't think would be

1169
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,040
Mexico more likely would be I don't know

1170
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:55,440
it could be Russia could be any country

1171
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:57,660
I guess I believe me you have friends

1172
00:47:02,599 --> 00:46:59,460
you have serious countries that have

1173
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:02,609
released a lot of documentation well I I

1174
00:47:06,460 --> 00:47:05,190
want to thank you for your time today

1175
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,470
this is what do one of the most

1176
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:08,520
interesting interviews because this is

1177
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:09,300
something I'm kind

1178
00:47:14,810 --> 00:47:12,420
you know into the International aspect

1179
00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:14,820
of this back in fact by world oh there

1180
00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:18,270
yeah back in the 1960s

1181
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:23,190
back in the 1960s I had published a book

1182
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:26,070
us was around the world and that was the

1183
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:31,140
first though yeah yeah yeah what's the

1184
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:32,910
shuffle I have a chapter in there I know

1185
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:34,950
where there were articles in fact from

1186
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:37,830
the China there was yeah yeah so we kind

1187
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,710
of been onto that you know for quite

1188
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:42,420
quite a while well you know what there

1189
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,580
was completely changed now the

1190
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:46,200
International perspective and their

1191
00:47:49,820 --> 00:47:47,640
researchers of course they ended it

1192
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:49,830
because in the old days it was very hard

1193
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:51,990
you either had to travel you have to

1194
00:47:56,660 --> 00:47:54,740
have extensive contacts or

1195
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:56,670
correspondence with people big budget

1196
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,420
like UFO universelle right yeah but now

1197
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:02,700
with the internet it's amazing you can

1198
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:04,770
you can instantly immediately you were

1199
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:06,630
foreseen in Malaysia he'll be in you

1200
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:09,990
know yeah you can contact people by

1201
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:12,540
email by Facebook by all these things

1202
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:16,680
almost immediately so yeah there's it's

1203
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:18,090
completely changed at what you do

1204
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:20,910
research in especially on the Internet I

1205
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:23,970
think before we close here I understand

1206
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:26,010
that the open mind in an organization

1207
00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:27,300
that you would work for and we were

1208
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:28,860
their offices today were impressed by

1209
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:32,760
this they are going to be promoting the

1210
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,740
UFO Congress so yeah it's like next year

1211
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:36,540
do we even copy the magazine here by the

1212
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:38,490
way will be nice to show it under the

1213
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:42,660
babies and the one of the labs they stem

1214
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:56,880
our staff here will steps yes yeah great

1215
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:57,660
thank you

1216
00:49:01,880 --> 00:48:59,490
well open minds of course you know we're

1217
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:01,890
doing every kind of media we're doing we

1218
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:02,970
have a magazine which a

1219
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:04,560
wonderful-looking magazine which is

1220
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:05,490
bimonthly

1221
00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:08,550
and we have of course a big website and

1222
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,100
open minds talk TV so it's really easy

1223
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:13,440
to improve go we have the great new

1224
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:15,480
program advanced radio which Alejandro

1225
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,200
Rojas does and well we have the TV

1226
00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:20,880
programs although that will come later

1227
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:24,120
some little TV fragments are on the

1228
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:24,570
website

1229
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:27,330
no the the radio program is actually

1230
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,490
enough you can see on ice cream yes yes

1231
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:31,920
yes so that is to me it's TV is their

1232
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,750
way of to be young we have some roughing

1233
00:49:39,020 --> 00:49:35,400
who's a professional you know used to

1234
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:39,030
work for paramount he's very

1235
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:41,100
perfectionist you know and all the

1236
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:43,800
camera work and all multiple cameras and

1237
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:45,750
all that so I think eventually the

1238
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:47,430
problems will be very good but right now

1239
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,890
we're still in the early stages but then

1240
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:52,800
the final leg of our operation is that

1241
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,850
we acquired

1242
00:49:57,350 --> 00:49:55,740
took over basically the the

1243
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:57,360
international you know for Congress

1244
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:59,820
that's already involved in actually what

1245
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:01,500
most people don't realize that it didn't

1246
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:03,390
start in Nevada started in Arizona

1247
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:10,230
it started in Tucson yeah yeah we will

1248
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:12,510
stay together the hotel just there the

1249
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:13,890
other night there you go

1250
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:19,680
it small world this is I think so this

1251
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:23,400
is the cover of our first issue and I

1252
00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:25,020
can mention the second issue would have

1253
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:28,230
the Vatican you know right here we have

1254
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:31,350
the thing for them for the conference so

1255
00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:33,960
we're moving the conference to Arizona

1256
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,990
to an Indian Reservation in Fort

1257
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:39,660
McDowell which is only half an hour away

1258
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:42,150
from things so be much easier for people

1259
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:44,490
now to fly because that was the one

1260
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,650
criticism of Laughlin that you have to

1261
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:48,660
fly to Las Vegas and then take a like an

1262
00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:50,310
hour and a half shot or something

1263
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:53,100
now we're only half an hour shuttle and

1264
00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:55,050
it's a very nice place it's still a

1265
00:51:01,310 --> 00:50:58,100
casino so that tradition even continues

1266
00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:01,320
but it has a separate conference room a

1267
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:03,180
lot of people used to complain in

1268
00:51:07,390 --> 00:51:06,420
Laughlin about the cigarette smoke here

1269
00:51:09,609 --> 00:51:07,400
however you have

1270
00:51:11,019 --> 00:51:09,619
different building smokers will still be

1271
00:51:12,999 --> 00:51:11,029
happy because they can go to the next

1272
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,009
building and small quarrel site by the

1273
00:51:16,749 --> 00:51:15,440
non-smokers and believe me I've heard a

1274
00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:16,759
lot of people I mean you know I'm

1275
00:51:21,130 --> 00:51:18,380
thinking I had already I'm smoking

1276
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:21,140
yeah so hey I think it's going to be

1277
00:51:26,499 --> 00:51:24,650
great it will have anybody lined up to

1278
00:51:28,569 --> 00:51:26,509
speak so far well we're we're working

1279
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:28,579
with it it's on it will be on February

1280
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,569
16th through the 20th yeah we have a lot

1281
00:51:37,029 --> 00:51:35,119
of them you know well would nobody's

1282
00:51:39,339 --> 00:51:37,039
being officially invited yet so I'd

1283
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,349
rather not say names but we'll have a

1284
00:51:44,859 --> 00:51:41,839
lot of things that people run how many

1285
00:51:47,499 --> 00:51:44,869
days well a Laughton used to go almost

1286
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:47,509
four days or nine days which is way too

1287
00:51:51,999 --> 00:51:49,670
much we are just gonna begin on

1288
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:52,009
Wednesday I think Wednesday afternoon

1289
00:51:54,249 --> 00:51:53,599
and it will go all the way through

1290
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,259
Sunday

1291
00:51:59,529 --> 00:51:56,480
and so it's still a very good start

1292
00:52:01,599 --> 00:51:59,539
already and on Monday yeah it's person

1293
00:52:03,609 --> 00:52:01,609
passed out right yeah most conferences

1294
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:03,619
only do it two days oh oh yeah Nathan

1295
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:07,220
decision right yeah so that would give

1296
00:52:11,259 --> 00:52:09,109
us a lot of visibility obviously when we

1297
00:52:13,749 --> 00:52:11,269
do this conference and Phoenix as your

1298
00:52:20,109 --> 00:52:13,759
nose become it's almost like a

1299
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:20,119
centre-forward yes yes rizona New Mexico

1300
00:52:24,099 --> 00:52:22,130
of course we have the Phoenix lights and

1301
00:52:26,739 --> 00:52:24,109
we have the governor who really killed

1302
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,749
it back then and now and you you better

1303
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,880
get right over busy and we will yeah

1304
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,559
yeah matter of fact we were working on

1305
00:52:34,569 --> 00:52:32,960
that and we're working on it if you only

1306
00:52:37,479 --> 00:52:34,579
one who besides all the well-known

1307
00:52:41,049 --> 00:52:37,489
researchers we also want to have like a

1308
00:52:44,279 --> 00:52:41,059
couple of celebrities if we can well Dan

1309
00:52:50,339 --> 00:52:44,289
Akroyd yeah someone like a rock star or

1310
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:53,739
his chances yes but so that'll make the

1311
00:52:58,539 --> 00:52:55,910
six o'clock news yeah yeah if we can get

1312
00:53:02,019 --> 00:52:58,549
or you know maybe a Russian cosmonaut

1313
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,029
whatever where we can get so we can get

1314
00:53:05,499 --> 00:53:03,920
some some press tools did one of the

1315
00:53:07,569 --> 00:53:05,509
Russian cosmonauts you know your father

1316
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:07,579
that's why recently right yes we have

1317
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:10,390
the Memorial in fact there's right here

1318
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:12,850
I knew I read some yeah yeah yeah

1319
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:16,150
general babble Popovich yeah that was

1320
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:18,220
related to yeah he was the husband of

1321
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:20,410
marina uh-huh well they both went into

1322
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:22,420
space then she wouldn't say no she never

1323
00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:23,410
went into space

1324
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,420
she was a test pilot and Sheena

1325
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:27,040
qualified and said the customer knows

1326
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:29,050
but she never actually went to space but

1327
00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:31,120
he had a yogi son yes he did he had a

1328
00:53:36,090 --> 00:53:33,340
UFO sighting but not in space here in

1329
00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:36,100
UFO sighting flying between Washington

1330
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,360
and Moscow yes on an airplane but he was

1331
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:42,400
the gospel now the general the Soviet

1332
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:44,500
Union a hero they also you know all the

1333
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:47,350
kinds of titles and he lent his prestige

1334
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:49,870
yeah one time he was even the egg of

1335
00:53:54,510 --> 00:53:52,840
this association of various scientific

1336
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:54,520
groups that were attached to the Academy

1337
00:53:58,350 --> 00:53:56,470
of Sciences because in the Soviet days

1338
00:54:00,750 --> 00:53:58,360
that one way you could do follow you in

1339
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:00,760
Russia you have to be very scientific in

1340
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:03,580
you were like you know connected to an

1341
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:05,350
academy or something like that then you

1342
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:07,990
would kind of get away with it and so

1343
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:11,890
they had him as a leader for some years

1344
00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:15,310
and he was the first one who obtained a

1345
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:17,860
number of documents from the KGB Tintin

1346
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:20,470
on UFOs after the fall of the Soviet

1347
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:22,390
Union and things were a lot of things

1348
00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:24,910
were happening there yes he obtained a

1349
00:54:29,010 --> 00:54:26,620
file about about a hundred documents

1350
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from the KGB Lane of George Knapp and

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other people obtained more but he was

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the first one so yeah he was a prominent

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00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:35,710
guy but he was not the only one they

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00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:38,770
were about two or three others more

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:40,990
actually I have a piece on Russian

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cosmonauts in the web site in our open

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00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:44,440
minds website where I go through the

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whole list and there were many that's

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00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:49,990
had sightings and oddly enough when he

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comes to you a false

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Russian cosmonauts are our record more

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00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:57,250
open-minded in more than the American

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00:55:01,530 --> 00:54:58,840
astronauts American astronaut

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you know they're very difficult on this

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subject but there are some exceptions of

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course Gordon Cooper would be a same in

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Edgar Mitchell

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more recently yeah and maybe a couple of

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others that have seen something or

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00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:12,400
admitted to something but the rest of it

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don't want to deal with it but the

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Russians seem to be more open-minded

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about now looking back how many years

1374
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houses I started in 1977 so it's 33

1375
00:55:33,150 --> 00:55:28,960
years you got into this yeah

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now I am I mean I've had my ups and

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00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:35,290
downs there were periods where I kind of

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00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:38,080
regretted it either but since I took a

1379
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vacation which you were talking the

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beginning of the death of you and Daniel

1381
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because also after you know I'm sure it

1382
00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:48,220
happened to you too and I know you I

1383
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:50,440
would point even get tired of this story

1384
00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:53,410
yeah it's gonna hurt them long jaded so

1385
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:56,500
I took a few years off literally I kept

1386
00:56:00,420 --> 00:55:58,660
a little contact but not much and now

1387
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:00,430
everything is kind of new again so

1388
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that's exciting

1389
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well let's conclude again but the

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website yeah so the website is basically

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00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:10,540
open you know after the www open minds

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00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:12,850
dot TV it's really simple

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00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:16,270
and once you get there it's pretty

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00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:18,100
self-explanatory I mean you can you can

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00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:20,200
go to and are not and a magazine is a

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00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:23,170
magazine is open minds magazine which

1397
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:25,150
you can find on any of the bars or

1398
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,490
novels or borders or you can subscribe

1399
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:30,880
overriding our website as well and then

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00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:33,460
the radio if you leave it in in Phoenix

1401
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:36,040
you can listen to the radio life but if

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00:56:40,350 --> 00:56:37,480
you don't then you go through our

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00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:40,360
website and I never say they have the

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00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:42,520
program is impressive wendell stevens

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00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:44,920
has been on oh yeah my buddy Jim Mattel

1406
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:48,580
atossa yes you're invited am I

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00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:50,680
we even had this Sanctus poor natives

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00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,360
that were nothing before you know the

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00:56:57,090 --> 00:56:54,160
the guy with the Hillary book and all

1410
00:56:59,010 --> 00:56:57,100
that he was in our program and yeah

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00:57:00,930 --> 00:56:59,020
we've had many people of course we've

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:00,940
appeared there too and and your hostess

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00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:05,010
he's a very good done yeah the country's

1414
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:07,360
easygoing guy so he gets from

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00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:09,400
with everybody he used to be with move

1416
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:11,460
for your fun he was a director of

1417
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:15,310
information and education for MUFON so

1418
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:16,090
it's a good show

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00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:19,630
every Monday and now it's that from 7:00

1420
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:24,730
to know from 9:00 to 10:00 west coast of

1421
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:27,460
course so it will be much later but it's

1422
00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:29,530
right we're basically right before coast

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00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:31,960
to coast so people don't have to pick it

1424
00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:34,330
up you don't have to stay I will not you

1425
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:36,040
can check it out on the next day I think

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00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:38,230
I asked you're gonna go say something

1427
00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:40,870
about the Internet yeah it never got

1428
00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:42,820
whatever you say never goes away none

1429
00:57:46,290 --> 00:57:44,470
like coast to coast we don't charge

1430
00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:46,300
anything I think obstacles you have to

1431
00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:48,340
pay that's extreme then you have access

1432
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:51,070
you know ours is free and you can go and

1433
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:53,290
watch any show you want well I want to

1434
00:57:56,670 --> 00:57:55,090
thank you Andy me oh I didn't see you a

1435
00:57:58,380 --> 00:57:56,680
my friend from the hood in the armored

1436
00:58:01,800 --> 00:57:58,390
car well yeah maybe and I had Indian

1437
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:01,810
food and you know for train yeah go to

1438
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,570
the open mind website and don't forget

1439
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:06,880
to go to our but typically again

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reporting for the conspiracy Journal